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@niccolo.granieri set the channel purpose: Unstructured social space to continue discussions started in panels. Meet new people, network, socialise!

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YES! Social Channel!

Free doughnut on entry :doughnut:

Does it come out of the USB port?

WiFi donut?

Sign me up!

I'll take a rain-check on that. Maybe collect in Sept?

So now I really want a donut :doughnut: :man-shrugging:

I feel your pain

I think I can actually smell donut somehow...what magic is this @abi :exploding_head:

Hello from sunny Belfast! Yay!

Sunny Birmingham too today... is it the NIME spell?

:grin:

Hello from cloudy germany!

Hello from Sunny Florida! Well, it will be sunny once the sun comes up, a bit early now...

Greetings from slightly overcast Dublin.

Following on from the NIME Publication Ecosystem workshop this morning, has anyone seen an interdisciplinary community that has managed to figure out how to document their research well? I'm really interested in examples.

The only thing I can think of (that was also mentioned on the padlet) is JAR and Research Catalogue. But that's a custom solution and I don't know how useful it is for us.

Its a bad omen

I agree that JAR's an interesting reference, though curiously there's no explicit mention of computing or digital technologies at the first layer of keywords - digital crops up in the more detailed layer... Maybe one of the issues NIME is trying to address is precisely, as pointed out in the Ecosystem workshop (and as you pointed out so well, Astrid!) this heady mix of the highly technical and the (often overlooked-but-very-necessary) critical. humanities research?

Sounds like there's some useful unexplored territory NIME could occupy.

Yes! I really like the approach of Research Catalogue + JAR. It solves many of the issues on the artistic research side, but what do the more "sciency" people think about such a channel? (for careers, promotions, http://etc.it

I was talking to someone recently about the way that art, if it's going to hang with science, faces pressure to be "useful" in some way (demonstrating a learnable concept, being a learning tool, etc). It would be interesting to see NIME find a way to value things being art while also valuing the technical developments that make them possible.

hi noisecryptoids, for anyone interested in adding streams to a hub here is one to use socially: https://low.show/noisecrypt/sortition/a232bec7-faab-4ab9-b061-e3ad26d46ec6 if you're unsure what this is all about, check out: https://low.show/noisecrypt or DM me if you have any questions

Hi Luis, is this for the jam happening later?

feel free to use it whenever, I've not streamed to it yet, but if there's enough interest in a scheduled jam I'll organise that too

Yes, I agree. That is why I think your comment in the workshop on keeping NIME open-ended is important. We need to create a space (a "multidimensional" one) that somehow allows for people from different disciplines to come together on their own premises.

seems to be a bit of audio emerging on it now :sound:

cool will have a listen

I think we also face the challenge of all of this still being in development - practices, communities, even the vocabulary to describe what we do. I wonder what the best way is to centralise the community to create identity, while also engaging in continual discourse about what NIME is, and what NIME is becoming.

ok just tested it, think I could be up for a jam if there is one later

great :slightly_smiling_face: what time works for you?

i'm in workshops until 6pm so after would work

Danish Seismograf journal on sound art has a peer reviewed section and features audio articles as well as regular ones. https://seismograf.org/english

but I wasn't in the session yet, so not sure if it is applicable to what you were talking about...

It definitely is, thanks for sharing!

is anybody else on soundcloud? would love to connect! https://soundcloud.com/laelume

It's always seems to be sunny when you need to be on the computer and cloudy when you have time to go outside.

JAR and JSS (Journal of Sonic Studies), are both peer-reviewed journals based on the Research Catalogue platform. They do have academic standing in the humanities, specifically for artistic research. If we as NIME community developed our own journal on this platform we could make sure that it maintains its "multidimensional" and continuously evolving interdisciplinary nature, whilst situating NIME closer to already existing and mature artistic research discourses.

I'm not sure if it's in the scope, but IDMIL and Mustic labs started a collaboration project about a year ago, and one of the outcomes will be about DMI documentation. However, the goal is to ensure applicability and data access (rather than publications). A paper launching the discussion will be published at HCII2020 late proceedings.

Yes, I like this idea. The challenge, however, may be that it may not be recognized in the more hard-core science disciplines?

There's also a very brief discussion at the paper *Probatio 1.0: collaborative development of a toolkit for functional DMI prototypes*, on Paper Session 10: Collaborations / Digital Audio

Good morning from sunny Arizona. It's 7:08am and it's going to be a cool 42C today. I'm going to have my first coffee and catch up on the discussions.

Hi All - Sunny Milton Keynes - a balmy 20C.

i would swap in a heartbeat

Hello everyone from sunny and warm (25°c) Warsaw

Hello from the unexpected sunny black forest today.

Hello from mild and cloudy Matlock ? 17 Celsius and cooling down nicely now.

Hi From Morelia Michoacan, 18C

I'm in the feedback workshop, and we'll probably use noisecrypt for a component of the workshop jam. I believe the jam starts around 7pm, so I will post an update here along with a new hub URL around then.

Good morning from stormy Baton Rouge!

The community is much larger, but we just partnered with Leonardo here at ASU and they have some interesting multi-platform ideas forming, which I'm sure you're already aware of (beyond the various journals). One of the things I like the most is the mail out with highlights from the community: https://www.leonardo.info/ But they are also hosting members' profiles, thesis abstracts, LASER talks, etc. there could be some examples here to look at.

i replied in thread below...

Greetings from Vermont!

cool!

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening to wherever people are !! I am sending greetings from (sort of) sunny Belfast and delighted we got to this very point in NIME. Curating the NIME 2020 papers this year, alongside my amazing colleague @romainmichon, was a delight (albeit time consuming). :grinning:

Good morning from Portland Oregon! It smells like tear gas here :slightly_smiling_face: I've put all my clocks on UK time and drinking yorkshire gold to try to get the "real deal" experience. Hope you're all well.

Greetings from New Jersey!! It?s hot and humid :slightly_smiling_face:

Hello everyone from (unexpectedly sunny and warm today) Lille, France !

Hello everyone from Cologne, Germany. A Sunny evening outside, but I'm immersed within the semi-connected NIME world in my studio is in the basement :see_no_evil:, wish you all will have a great conference!

Good tea choice! (As a Brit)

Hello everyone from chilly Manchester, never really gets warm here :confused: But glad to be immersed in today's proceedings!

Hi everyone from windy Aarhus, Denmark. Looking forward to the next few days :slightly_smiling_face:

Leonardo is great, but I saw that they are closing LMJ, integrating its themes within the main journal. An interesting move which brings music closer to other forms of mediated artistic expression, but will probably limit the amount of music content published

Hello from sunny Bristol Uk!

Hello NIME 2020 !

Hmmm.... that's an interesting move indeed. I suppose, then, it creates more space that perhaps a NIME-related multi-format journal could fill.

Howdy from California!

There was a cluster of donut-based instruments in our 10,000 Instruments workshop earlier today. I'm wondering if this thread was a source of inspiration :)

Hi everyone from Montreal. Happy to connect with you here at NIME :slightly_smiling_face:

What a day! Great start, I am almost as tired as after a physical NIME! :sweat_smile:

currently jamming on this

i think i'm there:)

Enjoying the Feedback Musicianship workshop streaming jam-session now!

Can you share the link?

@info041 are you still playing?

Ah, Alice just told me it finished. Sorry to miss this.

no, sorry

left 30 min ago

no worries, I hope you enjoyed it :slightly_smiling_face:

wow sounds like it must have been cool!

Hello everyone, is this the cafe??

Well done to all the organisers who managed to make this happen online! Hard work I am sure?

I wish we could all get together to enjoy a little beer now?

yes, it was fun, thanks for the workshop today :slightly_smiling_face:

Me too, pub hang is definitely missing!

Yep!

Good morning from sunny Oslo :sunglasses:. Excited about the first day of conference presentations, performances, ++

Good morning everyone from a cloudy Birmingham...

Btw: to all newcomers: don't be shy about asking questions about anything you don't understand!

:four_leaf_clover: 'morning from :barely_sunny: Milano

Hello from drizzly grey Belfast! :rain_cloud: Looking forward to today's presentations!

Goodnight from Auckland! :flag-nz:

Good morning from London :coffee:?:doughnut:

Good morning from London, sunny Hackney

Hi Lia!

Who would have thought that one day I'd be binge-watching a scientific conference!

I can see that this is going to be just as exhausting as attending a conference irl! (Maybe without the jetlag)

Dear all, I will be starting my Demo at 11:30, REBUS is not just a Theremin

everyone interested in all things expressive and electromagnetic please come

Also I have made a quick super simple survey? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeTSNxd2NrLgRE4jzycMD_xwODz_4NrgUZ6DZq0uYPEuwdxww/viewform

Video is here but I will make an interactive live demo

!REMINDER!: Poster and Demo authors should start heading to their rooms now :slightly_smiling_face:

Hi!

Feeling very dim - where are links to poster & demo rooms?

Hi Simon! You can access anything from the conference hub: http://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/conference-hub

the Timetable and Zoom Links will provide you with what you need

Remember to set to "yes" the "show all links and details:" voice

:slightly_smiling_face:

Hi!

Gottit - ta

Umm... I'm on that page and don't see any links under the poster session. I'm also feeling very dim.

try this: https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/posters-and-demos-22nd/

That works! Thanks!

this is the link to Rebus, we are just restarting

Does anyone else find the language used in descriptions and delivery of lectures very alienating?

What do you mean?

I'd love to know more about your experience, I think this is something that we as a community should talk about.

After watching 3 paper deliveries - it reminds me of a scientific lecture series I attended in which very salient points a buried beneath jargon more associated with academia. I can only imagine the barrier to entry for this event is very high for someone who is not an academic.

For example the description on this page: https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/feedback-musicianship/

"Feedback purposefully utilised in performance has long been an interesting musical endeavour; however, integrating such expertise into the design and development of instruments and interactive systems, which balance autonomy and expressivity, playability and musicality remains a challenge."

Random impressions from a newcomer (first NIME): I like the subtitles. I think they're more important in an online conference than they would be normally. There's a lot to absorb and having text/speech makes it easy. I feel you'd be alienated as easily as anywhere else if the domain-specific things that are discussed are completely new to someone. I don't think this applies only to this conference only - I'm the first one to get completely switched off in challenging/dry talks :D

This is so dense - hard to pick apart and never really says which kind of feedback its talking about.

It would be commendable - if this NIME space was the OPPOSITE of domain-specificity and dryness. Especially in a sphere where we are so often talking about ACCESS.

Vahakn, I agree that it's hard for a newcomer, and the scientifically dense language and content is tough if it's not the domain you work in every day. But one of the interesting things about NIME is that there's *so much stuff*, from hardcore DSP engineering to design to performance. If this is your first NIME stick around and find the people doing the work you're interested in!

Well, when you say it feels very academic, it is an academic conference. I am not meaning to be dismissive, but point out that there is an "academic" way of doing things which is where most of the participants will be coming from and which is fairly expected. It has its positives and negatives. NIME does try to be inclusive, so what you've said is useful for those of us more "academic" to reflect upon. Also hi!

@laurel.pardue, links on the timetable are hidden by default to avoid overloading reader. If you set the "show all links and details:" voice to "yes", links will magically appear!

Finding that I now say "oooooooh" :slightly_smiling_face:

the conversations are where you can cut through the academic language to get to the heart of the matter

@joe.wright Hi Joe,

It might be a good idea to link article pdf for all of the posters. At the moment most of them do not have the pdf link.

@joe.wright I need to re-enter my room as I did not have the chat enabled

Can you please let me in again?

Also the chat window was disabled in the poster room I just exited, while we wanted to use it to exchange links etc...

Hi @michael.lyons, this year we decided to be creative with posters and demos. Not everyone submitted a traditional pdf, thus the different links on each poster.

That was an error on our behalf, we're really sorry! If you want your chat enabled, just exit the room and we'll re-open it for you!

Sorry, misread your message: yes we are aware. The poster author needs to close and re-open the room for the chat to be re-enabled. Sorry for the inconvenience!

Hi guys we are back in now :slightly_smiling_face: with chat enabled! You can find the link to _*????: music making to scaffold social playful activities and self-regulation*_ here: https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/posters-and-demos-22nd/

The authors said they had a pdf & web page but only a video was linked. This is the EEG (Poster 1) room.

In general though is the entire proceedings available somewhere?

Pre-Proceedings: https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/paper-pre-proceedings/

@michael.lyons could you specify which poster is this? I can't find any EEG poster scheduled for today.

Thank you for opening this up everyone - I understand the benefits of the academic style and a model for presentation of projects. (Having attended many events) Just reflecting on some of the content - multiple contributors are rethinking collaboration technique as a practice in itself - to be more open and including users from the inception of the idea - a practice which the more advanced companies and tech entities are doing very successfully. NIME conferences may be the only place where these projects are collected together for the perusal and digestion of potential new users and collaborators. Would it not follow along the lines of access and collaboration for the presentations and their descriptions to be of a style that was most accessible to people both inside and outside of the academic sphere - inside *and* *outside* of the NIME-specific community.

Hey there, are there any ways to watch the presentations without joining the audio? House is very noisy and it's not working out for me...

Hi @designerzen! Presentations are webinars, so attendees are by default muted and with no video!

That was fun, thanks everyone who came to see REBUS, please if you could spare a couple of minutes to answer to this survey

If you have missed the interactive Demo feel free to watch the video as that is enough to answer the survey

I took the freedom to pin this message!

Thanks for letting me know, not sure what is going on with my setup in that case!

Are the ones from this morning kept somewhere so that I can re-watch them? That would be super :slightly_smiling_face:

Yes! All the videos will be available for the duration of the conference.

You can access everything from the Timetable and Zoom Links

Sorry ... it was the Brainwave poster at the top of the list. But the session has ended now, so perhaps moot.

And you can access the timetable and zoom links from the conference hub (http://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/conference-hub)

Thank you! Let me try and watch one now before the next ones start! So much going on

thanks :heart:

@sleitman Hi!

Thank you to everyone who passed by and for your insightful comments and wonderful compliments! That was an inspiring Demo session!...If you missed the session you can watch the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvkfq721F7A&feature=youtu.be and I'll be happy to keep the slack chat on to answer further questions/curiosities :slightly_smiling_face: :balloon:

Bonjour from Brighton :notes::ocean::notes::notes::notes::control_knobs::notes:, UK

Any idea where to find the MIMIC one that has just finished? https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/using-machine-learning-to-build-musical-instruments-in-the-browser-with-mimic/

Hi @designerzen , this was a workshop unfortunately!

There should be a paper on the same project being presented one of these days

Oh I see, now I understand. So workshops you have to participate in?

Yes, they all happened yesterday.

Oh.

Hi y?all from Virginia, US (where it?s been 37C recently!) Looking fwd to seeing you all, and learning more about your latest work.

Hi Luke! Sorry to miss seeing you in person this year!

Hey everyone! Our installation ?Liquid Noise? involving *whale song* and *live interactive cymatics* will be running *live* for the next hour over the coffee break. Please call by! Instructions and Zoom link here: http://www.danpollardmusic.co.uk/liquid-noise

Hey Pete ! Nice to (virtually) see you here !

Hey Flo! Yes, great to see you! ? feel free to call in and see some virtual whales, let?s have a chat when the installation isn?t running :slightly_smiling_face:

I will !

This is essential! Everybody in this should be notified :sunglasses:

Nice installation @pete!

Speaking as a complete idiot - where are links to posters & demos?

Very nice indeed!

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Was that while ago? scrolling back?

Dear attendees, If you want to know how to navigate the conference, please always make sure you start from the Conference Hub - http://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/conference-hub/ Once you're there, all the links can be found in the "Timetable & Zoom Links" page. Remember to set the "show all links and details" on the top right to "yes" in order to reveal all the links and a detailed view. From the Conference Hub, you can also navigate to the three separate poster and demo pages, useful both to peruse all the materials in your own time, and to access the zoom rooms in the allocated hours throughout the links. The same thing applies to installations: the Installations page will enable you to have a global view of all the installations of NIME2020. Thank you!

Hi @s.holland, here's a brief guide (Slackbotlinks)

Dear attendee, If you want to know how to navigate the conference, please always make sure you start from the Conference Hub - http://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/conference-hub/ Once you're there, all the links can be found in the "Timetable & Zoom Links" page. Remember to set the "show all links and details" on the top right to "yes" in order to reveal all the links and a detailed view. From the Conference Hub, you can also navigate to the three separate poster and demo pages, useful both to peruse all the materials in your own time, and to access the zoom rooms in the allocated hours throughout the links. The same thing applies to installations: the Installations page will enable you to have a global view of all the installations of NIME2020. Thank you!

Ok thats fair - thanks!

Didn't manage to virtually applaud just now, but just letting you know that I enjoyed it. Very nice and soothing.

if this were a physical conference, I'd be spreading handmade flyers about and strike up conversations about the book project I am working on at the moment. The book is called "Just a question of mapping" (tongue-in-cheek). More info about the book: https://justaquestionofmapping.info. I'd be happy to chat with people about this!

I was just wondering how people make these decisions, now there will be a book about it :slightly_smiling_face:

Hello everyone, from Oberlin, Ohio! Cloudy here today...enjoying the sessions so far!

yes :slightly_smiling_face:

I have been playing around a bit with a very cheap logitech F310 game controller as it allows interaction with the computer without looking at a screen. I saw a mention of game controllers on your site but I'm wondering if you know of any resources especially around this format of controller (playstation 2 -esque), such as common mappings.

good question. Alberto de Campo has been working with these kinds of controllers for a long time, and made a SuperCollider extension called GamePad

thanks!

googling for it turns up a paper, and I just noticed you're the author: http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2010/papers/29.pdf

https://llllllll.co/t/releases-using-just-one-piece-of-gear/1124 surprisingly NIME-y conversation on lines

That album was also heavily reliant on turntables as well though, both as a means of sampling a fair few records (arguably upping the gear palette count quite a bit by proxy??) and for scratching. Also an mpc is so versatile it's almost like saying he only used a studio :slightly_smiling_face: Interesting discussion though, hard to think of any besides solo instrumental

I made an album in one DAW ! :yum:

Sometimes I think it might be easier only using one bit of kit versus getting lost in the abyss of choice...

tascam424 has made many a creative decision for me :slightly_smiling_face:

Thanks for this wonderful second day everyone! See you tomorrow with the third day of NIME 2020. Good night!

thank YOU!

good morning NIME 2020, bring on day 3! To set the scene: it is somewhat cloudy outside and I have a pot of tea at the ready to fuel me through the morning. #welcometobirmingham #wishyouwerehere

May I do a little off-topic water-cooler discussion thread here? Inspired by your Zoom VS open source conferencing platforms above. Since most of you are involved in music, I guess everyone's experienced a situation along the lines of: Lockdown -> no gigs, no lessons -> move students to Skype -> Skype sucks -> move students to Zoom -> Zoom's paid-for and pretty expensive -> try all platforms under the sun -> settle for Zoom and perhaps Streamlabs or Youtube live for gigs. The reason why I'm particularly disgruntled is that, when doing music, Zoom's only true competitive advantage is the horribly-named "Use original sound" feature, which removes speech-optimised processing. I don't think a feature to remove another feature it's really worth £185 a year, just because it enables a few use cases other platforms are a bit too short-sighted to see. So, I'll beam this question onto you NIME community: which apps have kept you afloat in your activity as performers? And as an aside... do you have a view on how hard it would be to some of us to push "Use original sound" into Jitsi (or others) and start using that for virtual gigs and lessons? :)

@quinnjarvisholland fantastic, is there anything we can hear online? I recently got one at an auction pretty cheap but haven't really dug into it yet. Overdriven drums sound incredible

Just a thought on the price point for zoom, high quality streaming cost significantly more in bandwidth and infrastructure support than audio compressed for speech, hence why it can cost so much.

@contact thanks, that's a good thing I wasn't thinking about - although I don't think this is what Zoom does. I believe it's just echo cancellation and noise suppression that get removed and the codec remains the same. The feature isn't really meant to be for music, it's currently "misused" by musicians :smile: On the other hand, music itself is much less compressible than speech so, even though in theory a 64 kbps AAC stream is pretty light on bandwidth, a voice stream would mostly be compressed to near-nil bandwidth after noise reduction as it's mostly silence?

correct, speech audio is often transmitted around 8kbps, whereas "original audio" is around 128 (e.g. youtube videos). I haven't looked at the zoom stream bandwidths, but either way 185 is still pretty high although I assume it contains many other features. Free software often doesn't last long/improve much, and I guess one argument might be that if you're income depends on it, then paid software would be a tax deduction in most countries.

Morning everyone

May I ask anyone who has a bit of time to have a look at this video and answer the related survey please?

Check out the installations as well! https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/installations/

give the installations some love!

I?d expect the bandwidth requirements for the video feed to swamp any benefits from reducing the audio compression. For a point to point video conferencing app the bandwidth is a user problem anyhow rather than the service providers

Zoom say 2mbps for single screen sharing as a requirement

For point to point there is always Jack?

Sorry, Jack-trip. Also, a friend has recommended source connect as it is like Jack-trip but they negotiate web connections for you so you don't have to punch holes in your router and you can broadcast more widely. It does cost money so I haven't tried it, but possibly a cheaper, better quality option than Zoom.

I am assuming there is something in the paid version of Zoom that you need? I have just stuck with Zoom free and it supports original sound also. If the people at both ends have an audio interface it really helps regardless of platform, but it's sensitive to ask students to make that investment. Any platform will struggle to overcome the shortcomings of people's hardware - bad Wifi, bad signal, bad microphones, low RAM, slow processors, packet loss, etc. I did find with one student the problem was not internet speed but internet reliability, he had massive packet loss. He had to change his hardware considerably, as no platform could overcome how little of the incoming data made it to his speakers. I have tried all the things people rave about - Ninjam, Jamkazam et al, all a big no from me!

There's also always an issue when people have short time limits to talk about their passion projects - they tend to fit more into the time limit by speaking extremely fast and missing out clarifying information in order to get it all crammed in there. I don't imagine you can do justice to any of these things in the space of 10 minutes. There's a balance to be struck between fitting in as much as possible and making sure that what we have is comprehensible, especially for people who are operating in second and subsequent languages. I tend to find someone who seems to be doing something interesting and try to engage with them in plain English later!

The videos with captions have been an absolute delight for exactly this reason. I find being able to go back, pause, and re-read to be fantastic for really considering what people are saying, far more than in a usual paper session.

Gutted not to be in Birmingham, I grew up at the old Conservatoire at the library steps, and was really keen to see the new version. Coming to you from Edinburgh, Scotland today. Hello to you all, especially anyone who knows anything about Jython and/or eye gaze instruments. :wink:

I really miss the library step hangout spot - paradise forums was the place to be - it looks very different now!

I miss that too! @clarejohnston We should try and find some way of inviting you to the new conservatoire to talk about your work at DM Scotland, I?m sure our students would be really interested!

Does anyone know if the videos of papers, concerts, demos etc will be available beyond this week? It's already great to be able to access everything in or out of real time, but would definitely like to look back at a lot of things if possible

We are 100% planning to make everything available after the conference too! :slightly_smiling_face:

amazing :raised_hands:

Yes, this is an important part of the ecosystem discussion! The challenge is to figure out a smart way of doing it, so that the material is available for a long time!

Very much want the videos to be archived! Somehow!

`"I am assuming there is something in the paid version of Zoom that you need?"`

Elaborating a bit more (I wasn't clear): the feature I need in the paid version is getting rid of the 40-minute limit on group calls. This is unique to zoom, there are plenty of free alternatives that don't limit you that way. So if you need to ever do group teaching, or you're putting together a virtual open mic, you do need music-capable audio quality and also you need to have calls that are longer than 40 minutes, hence the need to pay for Zoom.

I think Zenodo is probably the best solution. The best would be to add the videos to the same posts as the PDFs

We would have to embed captions on the videos if we move away from a video hosting platform like Youtube.

Yes, that is an issue. We could possibly also archive the caption file next to the video? I just don't think that YouTube is a good archival solution...

I think the demos are

Thanks for raising this important topic @x. It is a fine balance between keeping the conference _academic_ (which is important for many participants, because they need to get "research points" in their systems, for their degrees, promotions, etc.) and at the same time engage broadly. Since we already have the peer-reviewed papers as the basis of the programme, it could be that we should focus more on creating presentations that are more accessible (e.g. TED-style).

@joe.wright That would be fantastic!! I love talking to students :grin: I do some sessions up here at the RCS about all that stuff.

Once NIME is done, I?ll have a good think about how to make this happen!

Please check out our Vodhran video during the poster/demo session. We very much hope you enjoy it and that it brings a smile. We?ll also be running a live demo on Zoom where I?ll do my best to demo for you whatever you?d like to see! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw7J3pyMXW8&feature=youtu.be

Hey @channel our installation Liquid Noise is going live over the coffee break for the next hour (4-5pm). Come along to experience some live cetacean cymatics. Leave your microphone on to contribute to the marine noise pollution! Instructions on joining are here: http://www.danpollardmusic.co.uk/liquid-noise

:star-struck:

Nice little comic relief and informative too!

I really enjoyed the Vodhrán video ? thanks for sharing that.

Thanks for watching!

I've not used it for teaching, but jamulus is pretty good.

[specifically for networked than p-p]

treating myself to a glass of wine while watching the premiere of @liljamariaasmundsdott ?s keynote gig! Feel free to do the same with your choice of drink (or snacks). To join click here: https://youtu.be/IqPhO1FpBBw

Very cool design. And the video is epic!

I?ll have a glass of prosecco

Is the performance live or is it recorded?

@xname tonight's performance is prerecorded, but it's premiering on YouTube now. Feel free to ask questions in the #keynote-lilja-maria-asmundsdottir channel for @liljamariaasmundsdott

enjoy!

why not show your appreciation for @liljamariaasmundsdott?s fantastic set by applauding at #installations-round-of-applause ?

@channel thanks all for your round of applause! :slightly_smiling_face: Very much appreciated the many whistles, claps, clicks, tings and bongs!

Well done! @liljamariaasmundsdott an elegant work! :clap::skin-tone-4:

Thank you so much!

shout out to everyone in UTC-7 and surrounding timezones! it's only a cool 36C here in Arizona today and i'm enjoying a nice afternoon homemade ice tea :nail_care::skin-tone-2::tropical_drink::earth_americas::sunny::cactus:

Good to see you, Lauren! Here it is dark, about 22C in my workroom, and I'm wondering whether to go for a late night walk to feel how the temperature is outside.

you too! i am envious. it does not get cool here now, even at night.

how are you doing, apart from the heat?

i will DM!

Is there any reason *not* to archive at *both* YouTube and Zenodo?

About 30C and slightly rainy here today. Not complaining - normally it would be high 30's and super humid, but rainy season is unusually extended. And normally, it would be nearing the time to escape the Japanese summer. Not happening this year ...

Good morning everyone! If you have some spare moments today then please check out our installation https://thetextureofair.uk/, showcasing an art and oral heritage project focused on two specialist London hospitals renowned for treating sensory and hearing conditions. A 20 minute film composed of architectural 3D scans, music and stories, interfaces with the larger archive of oral histories and other media. We hope that this will be of interest to the NIME community! :woman-cartwheeling: https://thetextureofair.uk/

Highly recommended! :point_up:

Not at all. In fact, the videos are already on YouTube, so my main point was to ensure archiving in a non-commercial archive which also provides DOIs. In fact, previous NIME videos are scattered around (mainly Vimeo and YouTube), and it would be good to get everything into Zenodo (as well), together with the PDFs.

Hello! We?re showing Liquid Noise live over this coffee break for the next hour. This will be our last session, so please drop by! Details on how to join are here: http://www.danpollardmusic.co.uk/liquid-noise

Hi all, I am running demo session right now about the soil moisture sonification installation so if you are interested feel free to join the room here: https://us04web.zoom.us/j/77723609006?pwd=VnJDY25mVXBGSUFqNGtGK2pOaHMwUT09

Awesome! http://www.soundclod.com/tiagobrizolara

Most unexpected thing about NIME 2020 (so far!): Emojis adding a whole other layer of discussion and interaction.

Really enjoying the program

Need a relaxing break before the next talks? Check out the circles installation! https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/circles/ #shamlelessselfpromotion

nothing to be ashamed of!

Where are the knitted keyboard folk hanging out?

hi i have a stupid question... if i have a box of sand and i want to make use of the depth and angle of my finger dipping into the sand as a way to make sound... is there any recommended sensors for that...?

i have leapmotion sensor to see where my finger is but when i dip finger into sand the sensor cannot see my finger anymore....

the reason i want to use dipping into sand as the interaction gesture is because of the rich tactile feedback for the musician...

sounds like a really challenging task!

measure displacement?

perhaps pressure sensors underneath/sides

yea the issue for me is visual sensor got blocked by the sand so cant see the displacement but yea pressure sensor seems like a goood candidate!

maybe some computer vision could save you there ? Do you need to sense something while the finger is in the sand?

@imtortorken Perhaps some insight might come from the DIRTI installations (made in collaboration with IRCAM?s @schwarz), which use video input from granular materials (e.g., tapioca) for haptic control over concatenative synthesis. More information may be found here: https://www.smallab.org/dirti/ No idea for the sand though! :slightly_smiling_face:

You might also want to look at the Pebblebox (NIME 04) which used contact mics to pick up the sound of materials being disturbed by the hand. http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~sile/palpable/NIME04-grain-revised2.pdf

thanks so much:)!

would be great to keep checking on the position of the tips of my fingers but yea for now the idea is noob like Theremin basically but want to add some rich tactile feedback to user from some real world material

@imtortorken fingers in the sand might be challenging. Was done for deforming sand using laser scanners and later depth cameras like in Sandscape (like checking the peaks and valleys created by deforming the sand) from the Tangible Media Group https://trackr-media.tangiblemedia.org/publishedmedia/Papers/188-Bringing%20clay%20and%20sand/Published/PDF Maybe if you make the bottom of the sandbox transparent and put a video sensor below it, pointing upwards, you can track your fingers ...? like in DIRTI?

The https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScSeh092192meXaHhRf25h7kOm7IAkB3ft5_Cy-cC6l6p3yDw/viewform is now open! Please leave your feedback and comments to help us improve the conference and shape the future of NIME.

For some questions I felt more answers could be chosen but the survey allows only one choice...

Which ones?

most important factor choosing the preferred format I would ask for important factors because definitely more than one

Isn't non-binary normally included as a gender category these days?

Also the hybrid format of NIME does that mean online streaming / recording of the in presence conference ? what else is falls under hybrid ?

@stassenan I understand, of course. The idea is to select the most important one among several important factors.

yes, that is what I did eventually...

@knotts.shelly happy to add it. Don?t you think it could go in the free field [Other?]?

@stassenan Hybrid would mean a combination of online and ?offline? [in presence], so a live conference that is also broadcast online

umm, is suppose it could, but i dont think thats the current norm. i normally take arts council diversity categories as a guide and they include "non-binary" now.

I?ll do it now

put the box of sand on a scale and measure the extra weight when the finger pushes down?

thanks a lot

@stassenan Anything else that you would like to see changed?

Great! Thanks for pointing to it, otherwise I may have missed it. Could totally imagine to enjoy this with VR glasses like Oculus Quest..

Hi Timo! Nice to ?see? you and your work again!

wait a minute! are these measures in Celsius or Fahrehneit?

I'm in C tho I should be in F...

@hofmann-alex exactly, it was created with VR in mind.. but with all the limitations, this is a good spinof

@s.d.wilson same to you :wink: how is life?

Hey Folks, Are you missing the conference-conversations-over-food interactions? I'm going to have an early dinner (USA) after the last music performance tonght. I'll post a zoom invite here if you'd like to join me with your meal or pub drink of choice. It'll be like a New Inn for Masticating Engagements.

Other Music for Uplifting Gourmandizers?

NIME: OMFUG

No all good, filled the survey already ! Thank you very much..

Nice one!

Ok here's the link for the New Inn for Masticating Engagements: https://ucf.zoom.us/j/98454304409?pwd=UHFzb2RFamIzNEpDdUQxNkkwNW5wQT09

Thanks everyone for hanging out, that was great!

People who know stuff about LeapMotion - how important is it to use it just like the instructions? I'm interested, but would need it mounted off to one side and I can't have my hands in the air quite like that. And does it work in the dark? It's always these things which are missing from instructions, they just tell you to set it up as an Abled optimum and don't even tell you if you could be doing it differently!

@niccolo.granieri can you offer any advice there? Or any good tutorials/resources?

Although I haven't tried it (always the best method to know for sure!), I think it should work in the dark. From the datasheet, I gather that there are near-infrared LEDs built-into the device, that are used to illuminate the hands, that will then reflect the (invisible) light and capture it with camera's. Mounting it to the side and just use it with one hand, should be ok, I think. I'm not sure how flexible the recognition software is to deal with different shapes of the hand, though. I can imagine that there are some abled-bodied assumptions in the software about those.

I have seen quite a few people mount it on the front of a VR headset, so I think it can be flexible to its orientation?

Good morning @clarejohnston. I have used extensively the leap motion throughout my PhD and I can assure it sure does work in the dark. What it doesn't really like are reflective surfaces, but light is not really relevant. Speaking of orientation instead, I have used the leap motion both in the "traditional way" (on a table with the hands floating above it) and in what leap motion calls "head mounted mode" with the leap motion mounted somewhere facing down and the hands moving in it's field of view. From my experience, it doesn't matter how or where you orient the device. What matters is that your hands will face the sensors with the palm or back of the hand for most of the time. The leap motion prefers to see hands that way, and struggles to see hands from the side.

Hello ! After the suggestions of @f.morreale and having seen a similar trend from @matthew.mosher yesterday evening, we have decided to create an *ALWAYS ON ROOM* for this final conference day for you to join. This room will enable you to have a coffee with other NIME attendees in the breaks, continue discussions started in the paper sessions face to face and much more! The room will open in ~45 minutes (9am U.K. time) and will stay open until tonight at 7pm U.K. time, closing just in time for our first keynote of the evening. I will of course remind you at 9am, and also throughout the day, but if you want to get your coffee mugs ready, here's the link: *Zoom Link:* https://us04web.zoom.us/j/75307801251?pwd=VTF3MFJ4UTNaY1psTHQ4Qllkckhndz09

@mark.durham, this thread has a bit of info re: the current state of the videos, and the future archival plans!

Yes, and I'll add to this that it also struggles to see hands from the top, so you can't mount it above your hands.

Its other main limitation is that it won't do good finger tracking if the user's hands are in fists or relatively closed. If you've got fists/closed hands then it will still do OK at tracking overall hand position (you might have to do some smoothing), but finger positions will likely be wrong and might also be VERY noisy

Hi @r.fiebrink. I had no issues using it in head mounted display mode to see hands from the top (identifying the back of the hand). I used the leap in this configuration for almost the entirety of my PhD. What SDK have you experienced these issues with?

That's been with the Apple SDK over the last couple of years

Granted this was work with kids, so a lot less patience/ability to adapt to specific angles that worked better for the tech, as well as smaller hands overall

I am not familiar with Apple SDK's implementation of the leap.lib, but I'm guessing that it is still based on Leap V2? With Leap Motion Orion SDK (V3 and above) running on Windows I had no issues of this type.

Yes it's still V2. Great to know V3 makes this possible!

This is great to see - I think they are a fantastic resource, especially for non-academic or neurodiverse readers. This has been interesting for me as although I've been following NIME for some time, this is the first conference I've attended. I'm UK based, so it was going to be exciting and easy to be in Birmingham. However, what is happening in terms of re-thinking the structure and shape of the conference feels like such an opportunity, and it is great to see it being embraced. These videos will be so useful for sharing with the UG students I tutor, especially alongside the papers. I know it would be a considerable effort (in future years) for authors to create both paper, video and to deliver a presentation at the conference, but if it was possible it would create an amazing set of resources.

Morning @channel @abi @laurel.pardue @tragtenberg @adnan.marquez and myself have also made a secondary survey to find out how are minorities being represented within the broader NIME community and whether NIME as such should take further steps to make more diverse and inclusive spaces for these minorities at the conference. Survey link: https://forms.gle/Lz9XbWizLiXsKquEA

Maybe you can deactivate the waiting room feature, that needs the host to let people in? I That makes it easier to pop in for short breaks etc..

Yep, thanks @hofmann-alex, just noticed it! I closed the room, and reopened it! Could you check this for me?

Works! Thanks!

** the above mentioned zoom room is now open, enjoy some coffee and insightful face-to-face discussion! :arrow_up:

@timo.dufner first form in initial post of this thread, second form in the comment right above this one!

A bit late to the discussion, but I have been developing a new audio streaming library called AOO: https://git.iem.at/cm/aoo/. There are already a set of Pd externals, but I am planning to also add Max/MSP externals and Supercollider UGens/Classes. It can be used for peer-to-peer or server-client streaming and it supports both PCM (uncompressed) and Opus (compressed).

Since it is a C/C++ library, it can be embedded into virtually any application. See the README for a full set of features. It's still in alpha stage, but I hope to get a stable release out in the next 2-3 weeks.

We've been using AOO for the audio part of our VRR project https://vrr.iem.at/concerts/, where we did online rehearsals and live streaming concerts with New Music students at our university. Each player was sitting in their home town, using a cheap audio interface and mic. The sound sources were spatialized and enhanced with virtual acoustics, so that people got the feeling of playing in the same (acoustic) room. We were really happy with the audio quality. Because we were using a server-client-architecture and people had bad internet connections, latency was a bit high, but it didn't really matter too much, as we chose the pieces accordingly. The next step would be to add a peer-to-peer mode for lower latency and write our own video streaming app, so we're not depended on third party apps anymore. We also want to be able to freely arrange and manipulate the player's videos on the screen, which would be great for live streaming concerts (e.g. zoom in/enlarge videos on solo spots, arrange videos based on the position in the virtual acoustic space, etc.)

Really good to know, thanks, I will have a look and see what it will and won't stretch to. :grin:

@clarejohnston please let me know if you need any help! And if you'd like to get OSC data from a Leap Motion on Windows, feel free to use Reach (https://niccologranieri.github.io/Reach/)

I use big blue button for video conferencing which is free/open source and configurable.

Before we all leave, I'm sure there must be more to add here! Would love to hear

There's a libmapper device for the Leap Motion too - tested on macOS but I'm not sure about Windows. (https://github.com/libmapper/libmapper-contrib/tree/master/input/leap_motion). Let me know if you have any questions or need a compiled binary instead of source code!

Cool @jmalloch ! However, libmapper to my knowledge uses LeapMotion V2 and thus @clarejohnston would most probably encounter problems with limited range and bad hand recognition in non-optimal conditions.

Good point ? the link I posted does use LeapMotion V2. We should upgrade it to V3 for Windows users!

Yes but careful that V3 and above run on windows only!

:wave: Hello, team!

THANKS TO WHOLE TEAM amazing job to make this happen and incredible virtual NIME!! :boom:

YES!

:slightly_smiling_face:

Thank you for having me and Crewdson, and many congratulations to the prize-winners, and to the NIME organisers! You might like to check out Clarence Adoo, who I've been lucky to work with. He began as a professional trumpet player, and since a car accident has been using accessible technology to keep performing despite paralysis. He might be interested in new forms to try. Keep in touch! @cevannemusic

Great work @amelbye01 and @halldorion !

Hey Rob! here's a bunch of old takes from my tascam not fleshed out songs but theres something i love abt te roughness that i never replicate in the DAW https://studenets.bandcamp.com/album/someone-broke-into-my-car

https://thirstycityrecords.bandcamp.com/album/secret-island this one has actual songs I think are good but it's not pure tascam. All the drums are though!!

Thanks Giulio your invisible hands are on this project as well :wink:

Thanks all for hosting!

thanks @quinnjarvisholland! looking forward to checking them out

Thanks to all the organisers for all the work ! I've missed being able to see everyone in person in Birmingham , but this format has also led to very enriching discussions !

:slightly_smiling_face:

I wanted to echo the huge thanks to the organizers for a fantastic NIME! Everyone stay safe!! :confetti_ball:

Thank you to the whole NIME ecosystem!..It was a pleasure and a honor to be part of this community :balloon:

My first NIME! Everyone was so friendly and it was amazing to meet and chat to everyone, even through my computer screen. Can only echo everyone else thanking the organisers for their tremendous work this year! Had a great time :slightly_smiling_face:

About this discussion about communities of communities, aren't all communities like this? We are all part of so many communities and this is an academic/artistic international community I'm really happy to be part of! <3

Thank you @g.moro! Yes, I echo Halldór?s words; Bela is a big part of this project.

Thanks to all the organizers and people that made this year's NIME possible! :raised_hands:

Yes, well done all for such a successful event.

Bravo NIME2020!

Thanks to all the people, yes, that is all of you, who made NIME2020!

Thank you all! it was an amazing first NIME for me.

Big thanks to all for a great NIME. Respect to the organising team for pulling it off so well online :boom:

Many thanks to all NIMER`S! It was a great experience :star-struck:, congrats to all event organizers, impeccable, PERFECT! :clap::skin-tone-3:

The NIME2020 Organizers have taken an important evolutionary step. There is no going back!

The NIME2020 Organizers: Hi All.. I know this is a few days late, but I just wanted to say thank you to all of you who have worked so hard to put together this wonderful virtual conference together. It was amazing and I really enjoyed it. Nothing to fault, really. I'd like to share a pic of my children, engrossed and watching part of the conference with me (I hope this is OK), and we even had some great discussion (with the bigger kids) after some of the sessions that they watched (only a few, but great, nonetheless!). Well done, once again.

Hi Noris, thank you for your kind words, and for sharing the pictures of your children. They certainly bring a whole new dimension to NIME! Stay safe and well.

Thank you! Virtual conference has made it so much easier to decide on attending NIME - no need to leave family behind and arrange for child care while I'm gone to the other side of the world, (or fork out $$$ if I were to bring everyone along). I see this year's turn of event in a positive light, and something that I am grateful for.